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fello clan members can you stop pleasing clays on or near spawns .it's because if other people see it they think they can do it. so can we try not 2 do this .thank you all the best boots
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robbyy
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Ditto !

Its addressed on WAW server as well

Thanks Boots m8 :)
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Quite right boots. This is something we do not want to see creeping into game play on the servers. We will continue to punish anybody doing this.

Cheers w.
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Great point Boots.... There is a growing problem with this in both waw and Cod4.. We talked about it at the last Head Admin, Council meeting. As it got so bad in waw that they have, or are about to, ban them. Wax and myself didn't feel it was quite necessary yet on cod4, as a lot of players like them and use them correctly. Hopefully we don't get into a situation on cod4 where we have to think about banning them again.

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Great point Boots.... There is a growing problem with this in both waw and Cod4.. We talked about it at the last Head Admin, Council meeting. As it got so bad in waw that they have, or are about to, ban them. Wax and myself didn't feel it was quite necessary yet on cod4, as a lot of players like them and use them correctly. Hopefully we don't get into a situation on cod4 where we have to think about banning them again.

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Players Clays in spawns are kicked after 1 warning in waw by me and a temp ban is close to follow
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Players have the option of the Bomb Disposal perk so imho, they shouldnt be banned (in CoD4 anyway). Clays pointing at a spawn points shouldnt be allowed though - I wrote in another thread my feelings on it.

I really, really want to see the 3 grenade perk removed though...It ruins some maps.
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i have been trying for 3 or 4 year on that one m8 :D :D :D :D :D and you can not see all clays with Bomb Disposal perk m8 I do not no why
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i have been trying for 3 or 4 year on that one m8 :D :D :D :D :D and you can not see all clays with Bomb Disposal perk m8 I do not no why


I noticed - i use the perk a lot. Seems ok in TDM, but in FFA it works maybe 60-70% of the time.
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that's right m8 but WHY ok on tdm but not on ffa
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I no now cg_Draw2d 0 if they but it in you can not see clays
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I think on FFA , if you play as marines you cannot see clays of other marines.
Not 100% sure though.
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For once Roooobbbbbbbyyyyyyyy you are right.

Please don't do it again you are upsetting my routine. :D
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If there is 2 exits from a spawn, how close are players allowed to place a clay to one of the exits ?

Boots actually commented on a clay that i had placed around a corner from a spawn, not visible when you spawn, but the player is able to leave spawn without triggering it , not just that way :-)

I am with boots that there should be some clear guidelines and members should be the first to follow them, but again, some admins has unwritten rules for clays on some maps and others dont, ex. some Admins dont allow clays in the tunnels or by the exits on Burg, and some admins do - that confuses players

I love clays as they protect my a.. when i camp, and that is what i am best at :-) my style, like it or not :-) so i would be sad if they wouldnt be allowed anymore, but we need some clearer guidelines.

In my former clan we were allowed to clay one exit from a spawn, but with the amount of players we have, i might clay one exit and Boots clay the other, then nobody has done anything wrong, but the player that just spawned is now captured.

My suggestion is, if a clay is so near to a spawn that you cant leave the spawn or cant shoot it without killing yourself even though you run the other way, it is illegal - and the player should be able to take a certain amount of steps before getting killed by a clay.

Just my 25 cents

Jasz
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I think I am of the same opinion. If a clay is pointing at a spawn in such a way that it triggers during a spawn then that is spawn camping... If the clay is near a spawn, such as around a corner, but it doesnt trigger during the spawn then, I think it is ok.

This was discussed in another thread and I was told that it is wrong. I have tried to implement the rules as describd in the other thread, but I am not 100% sure where the spawn points are, nor how far away is considered acceptable.
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I feel a poll coming on...
Ok guys, I will set up a poll about planting clays. What question would be appropriate in this poll. For instance , 3 options might be.

1/ Claymores are fine planted anywhere on a map.
2/ Claymores can be planted anywhere on a map, as long as they are not within 3(ish) metres of a spawn in any direct.
3/ Claymores can be planted anywhere on a map, as long as they are not within 3 (ish) metres from a spawn, pointing away from spawn.
4/ etc.etc.

You get the idea. So think of some options and for an experiment we will set up a poll and get a feeling of what people are thinking.

Cheers
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As long as you can escape the spawn in either direction and not trigger the clay I think its fine. The clay in the tunnels is an interesting one. My opinion is that as long as the clay position abides by the no spawn rule then I am ok with it as long as you can escape the tunnel ok. Some spawn points are very near tunnel exits and a clay there is a no no in my opinion. However where there are multi exits and the clay is no where near a spawn I think its a valid tactical move. I place clays in pipeline for a tactical advantage to the team knowing that the other side is going to try and sneak through, again no where near a spawn. In the Burg there are a few spawns right next to tunnel exits and because you are facing the exit the instinct is to run out the tunnel so a clay there would break the rule - too close to a spawn. Different maps have different spawns and different tunnels so as long as you don't place it too close to a spawn then I am ok with that.

I always laugh when a player spawns, looks, places the clay then runs and then as asked where they left the clay in spawn! (after a warning)
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I feel a poll coming on...
Ok guys, I will set up a poll about planting clays. What question would be appropriate in this poll. For instance , 3 options might be.

1/ Claymores are fine planted anywhere on a map.
2/ Claymores can be planted anywhere on a map, as long as they are not within 3(ish) metres of a spawn in any direct.
3/ Claymores can be planted anywhere on a map, as long as they are not within 3 (ish) metres from a spawn, pointing away from spawn.
4/ etc.etc.

You get the idea. So think of some options and for an experiment we will set up a poll and get a feeling of what people are thinking.

Cheers


4) Should we ban clays altogether to eliminate this issue?
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) Should we ban clays altogether to eliminate this issue?
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I had thought of putting that in, but thought it will dilute the guys that want to keep clays poll rating.. Having said that, I suppose we would just add all the other options together, and assume they want to keep clays, against the number who would want to ban clays.
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I was working on the principle of understanding do we want to keep them or ban them first.
If it's ban then we don't need the other options. If it's keep then we can decide on the other questions.
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Rules on our servers are made to make the game as realistic as possible, therefore jumping to avoid fire is not allowed (only an idiot in real war would start jumping up and down :-) ) Martyrdom is not allowed, because in war you dont run around cooking a nade all the time :-)

So if we want it realistic, why should we then favor the players that run in full speed around the corners and then get killed by a clay - you dont see a soldier in a warzone run around corners in full speed without checking whats around the corner first - so this is purely up to the player to move forward with caution, if not, you die.

I have never been to war, but my mind tells me that there are do´s and dont´s in war, and when we choose to make rules to keep it realistic, it must be up to the players play style to run into clays or avoid them.

And as someone else mentioned above, there is actually a Perk allowed on our servers, that makes you able to spot clays through walls, so actually the players running in full speed around the corners can use the perk to keep up the speed :-)

What ever is going to be decided, i will follow it - but whatever we decide has to be simple and not to be misunderstood :-)

Just 5 cents more

Jasz :-)
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